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* {{H:cushioning}}.  The Zoom Fly is heavier and less cushioned than the Vaporfly. It's not a bad cushioning-to-weight ratio, but after the Vaporfly it seems heavy and dead. The Vaporfly has an amazing level of bounce, where the Zoom Fly is pretty much like any other running shoe.  
 
* {{H:cushioning}}.  The Zoom Fly is heavier and less cushioned than the Vaporfly. It's not a bad cushioning-to-weight ratio, but after the Vaporfly it seems heavy and dead. The Vaporfly has an amazing level of bounce, where the Zoom Fly is pretty much like any other running shoe.  
 
* {{H:drop}}. The Zoom Fly has less unloaded drop than the Vaporfly, but when worn they are both about 8mm. However, I found the drop on the Zoom Fly to be troubling, as I would expect on an 8mm drop, where I've got on fine with the Vaporfly. The Zoom Fly feels like it's 8mm drop, where I find something about the Vaporfly feels rather less.  
 
* {{H:drop}}. The Zoom Fly has less unloaded drop than the Vaporfly, but when worn they are both about 8mm. However, I found the drop on the Zoom Fly to be troubling, as I would expect on an 8mm drop, where I've got on fine with the Vaporfly. The Zoom Fly feels like it's 8mm drop, where I find something about the Vaporfly feels rather less.  
* {{H:structure}}. While the Zoom Fly has a black line down the side, it doesn't have the carbon fiber plate of its better siblings. There's no noticeable structure of interference with your biomechanics, and there's not the instability that I find so troubling in the Vaporfly.  
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* {{H:structure}}. While the Zoom Fly has a black line down the side, it doesn't have the carbon fiber plate of its better siblings. There is a plate, but it's simply plastic that "carbon infused" (whatever that means). The plate is a similar shape to the Vaporfly, though you can't see the seam on the side where the plate goes like you can on the Vaporfly. (The black line is nothing to do with the line of the plate on either shoe). In fact, I didn't realize there was a plate until it was pointed out to me and I probed with a needle to determine its shape. Unlike the Vaporfly, the plate in the Zoom Fly doesn't seem to cause any instability in either the front or the rear of the shoe. There's no noticeable interference with your biomechanics, which is nice.  
* {{H:flexibility}}. Even without the Vaporfly's carbon fiber plate, the Zoom Fly has similar levels of flexibility. Without the carbon fiber, the Zoom Fly doesn't have the spring of the Vaporfly. It might still improve running economy, but the expected level of improvement would be hard to detect without a laboratory.
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* {{H:flexibility}}. The plastic plate seems to give the Zoom Fly has similar levels of flexibility/stiffness to the Vaporfly's carbon fiber plate, but without the springiness. It might still improve running economy, but the expected level of improvement would be hard to detect without a laboratory.
 
* {{H:outsole}}. You can see the hard rubber outsole as the black areas on the sole of the Zoom Fly. Superficially, this looks very similar to the Vaporfly, but on close inspection the pattern is rather different. I'm not sure if the rubber outsole is the same material on the Zoom Fly as it appears to be harder than the Vaporfly.  
 
* {{H:outsole}}. You can see the hard rubber outsole as the black areas on the sole of the Zoom Fly. Superficially, this looks very similar to the Vaporfly, but on close inspection the pattern is rather different. I'm not sure if the rubber outsole is the same material on the Zoom Fly as it appears to be harder than the Vaporfly.  
 
* {{H:shape}}. The Zoom Fly shape doesn't match the human foot, so the toe box compresses the toes. It matches the shape of the Vaporfly, and I found the Vaporfly gave me toe blisters until I [[Shoe Dissection| cut open the toe box]]. {{H:TryCuttingShoes}}.
 
* {{H:shape}}. The Zoom Fly shape doesn't match the human foot, so the toe box compresses the toes. It matches the shape of the Vaporfly, and I found the Vaporfly gave me toe blisters until I [[Shoe Dissection| cut open the toe box]]. {{H:TryCuttingShoes}}.

Latest revision as of 09:27, 24 October 2017

The Nike Zoom Fly is part of Nike's "breaking 2" initiative to break the 2-hour marathon. That failed attempt to run a sub-2-hour marathon used the Nike Vaporfly Elite, a shoe you can't buy. There is a retail version, the Nike Vaporfly 4% which uses the same ZoomX foam and a carbon fiber plate in the midsole. This shoe, the Zoom Fly looks superficially identical to the Vaporfly, and you're probably reading this review to see how it stacks up to its sibling. The short answer is that the Zoom Fly is despite the looks, it's nothing like the Vaporfly. I rate the Zoom Fly as "worth considering" as it's not a bad shoe (other than the shape and drop), but it's rather overpriced and it's certainly no cheapskate Vaporfly. These reviews are not being maintained. If you want trustworthy and detailed reviews, check out Run Repeat Shoe Reviews. If I'd continued doing running shoe reviews, I'd want to produce a site like run repeat. I used The Science of Running Shoes as the basis of how I tested running shoes and what you should look for in a running shoe.

1 Characteristics

I'm going to focus on how the Zoom Fly compares with the Vaporfly, rather than doing a standalone Zoom Fly review.

  • Cushioning . The Zoom Fly is heavier and less cushioned than the Vaporfly. It's not a bad cushioning-to-weight ratio, but after the Vaporfly it seems heavy and dead. The Vaporfly has an amazing level of bounce, where the Zoom Fly is pretty much like any other running shoe.
  • Drop. The Zoom Fly has less unloaded drop than the Vaporfly, but when worn they are both about 8mm. However, I found the drop on the Zoom Fly to be troubling, as I would expect on an 8mm drop, where I've got on fine with the Vaporfly. The Zoom Fly feels like it's 8mm drop, where I find something about the Vaporfly feels rather less.
  • Structure. While the Zoom Fly has a black line down the side, it doesn't have the carbon fiber plate of its better siblings. There is a plate, but it's simply plastic that "carbon infused" (whatever that means). The plate is a similar shape to the Vaporfly, though you can't see the seam on the side where the plate goes like you can on the Vaporfly. (The black line is nothing to do with the line of the plate on either shoe). In fact, I didn't realize there was a plate until it was pointed out to me and I probed with a needle to determine its shape. Unlike the Vaporfly, the plate in the Zoom Fly doesn't seem to cause any instability in either the front or the rear of the shoe. There's no noticeable interference with your biomechanics, which is nice.
  • Flexibility. The plastic plate seems to give the Zoom Fly has similar levels of flexibility/stiffness to the Vaporfly's carbon fiber plate, but without the springiness. It might still improve running economy, but the expected level of improvement would be hard to detect without a laboratory.
  • Outsole. You can see the hard rubber outsole as the black areas on the sole of the Zoom Fly. Superficially, this looks very similar to the Vaporfly, but on close inspection the pattern is rather different. I'm not sure if the rubber outsole is the same material on the Zoom Fly as it appears to be harder than the Vaporfly.
  • Shape. The Zoom Fly shape doesn't match the human foot, so the toe box compresses the toes. It matches the shape of the Vaporfly, and I found the Vaporfly gave me toe blisters until I cut open the toe box. (I recommend cutting open the toe box of virtually all running shoes, with the exception of a few shoes like some Altra shoes. When you have some worn out shoes, you should try cutting open the toe box. I've found that it's a big improvement, allowing my toes to move naturally and engage for toe off, as well as reducing the possibility of blisters.).
  • Upper. The upper is another area where the Zoom Fly looks almost identical to the Vaporfly, but is radically different. The Vaporfly has small holes that are held together with a remarkably strong and fine mesh, where the Zoom Fly has two layers of upper with holes just in the outermost layer. The Zoom Fly is not a bad upper, but it's nowhere near as open and breathable as the Vaporfly. The eye holes for the laces are also different, with the Vaporfly using a double layer of upper material to form the holes and the Zoom Fly using cords. Things are not all in the Vaporfly's favor, and the Zoom Fly has thicker cushioning around the ankle opening.
  • Tongue. Both the Zoom Fly and Vaporfly use a traditional style, without connections to the upper except at the base. Both shoes have thin and unpadded tongues, but the Vaporfly is more breathable.
  • Lacing. The laces work well and remained tied. This is the one part of the shoe that appears identical between the Zoom Fly and the Vaporfly.
  • Heel Counter. While the Vaporfly has no heel counter, the Zoom Fly has a small, stiff heel counter.

2 Visual Comparison with Vaporfly 4%

3 A Comparison with other Recommended Shoes

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If you're looking for "the best of the best" running shoe, here are my top picks. Of course, the answer will depend a little on what you're looking for, so I have recommendations for various categories.

  • Best All Round Shoe. The Altra Escalante is my current all-round favorite. It has plenty of cushioning for its weight, it has a very springy midsole, it lasts well, and it has a shape that's closer to the shape of a human foot than most shoes. It's a great shoe for any runner, including those Starting to run. It's also a fairly easy shoe to find due to its popularity.
  • Best Maximalist Shoe: If you want something massively cushioned, then I'd recommend the Saucony Kinvara 8. It's remarkably light and remarkably cushioned, beating Hoka at their own game.
  • Best Optimal Shoe: For those looking to trade cushioning for speed, the Nike Zoom Streak LT 3 was my top pick, but the latest version (LT 4) falls short of it's predecessor. There are lots of great optimal running shoes, which provide just enough cushioning with light weight and minimal frills, but all have their weak spots. Probably the best option at the moment is the Altra Vanish-R, which offers great cushioning for just over 5oz/150g.
  • Fastest Shoe: If you really want speed, then check out the Nike Vaporfly 4%. It's light, massively cushioned, and has a carbon fiber plate. Nothing comes close, not even the now defunct New Balance RC5000‏‎ or New Balance RC5000v2‏‎. There are a number of caveats; it's really expensive, it's really hard to find, and there's a significant injury risk.
  • Best Minimalist Shoe: Merrell Trail Glove. I recommend the trail glove for road running in spite of the 'trail' moniker. It's not a fast shoe by any means, but it's comfortable and will last well.
  • All Terrain Shoe. For trail running, I've become a fan of Altra, and I think their best shoe is the the Altra Timp, though the Altra Lone Peak is really close.
  • Honorable Mention: It's not really a running shoe, but the Vivobarefoot Ra is comfortable, minimalist and can more or less pass as a dress shoe. I've worn mine to weddings with a suit and they've not looked out of place. You can run in the Ra, but the leather means it doesn't breathe well.

For a more detailed on running shoes see the Recommendations for Best Running Shoes. This table lists the key attributes of What to Look for in Running Shoes. For more detailed information, on the shoes see detailed shoe comparison.

Full Review

Brand Name Rating Recommended
price
Benefit Weight
(oz)
Penalty
(sec/mile)
Forefoot
Thickness
Heel
Thickness
Loaded Drop
mm
Cushioning Flexibility
Saucony Type A Review Saucony A/A7 Recommended $100 6.4 6.7 12.1 19 22 1 4.3 7
Saucony Type A6 Review Saucony A6 Highly Recommended $100 8.2 6.1 9.5 17 21 4 5.0 7
Saucony Type A8 Review Saucony A8 Highly Recommended $90 7.5 6.2 9.7 19 20 -1 4.7 7
Adidas Adios Boost 2 Review Adidas Adios Worth considering $140 4.7 8.6 13.4 17 27 11 4.0 6
Hoka Bondi 5 Review Hoka Bondi Recommended $150 6.1 11.6 18.1 38 42 5 7.1 2
Hoka Clayton 2 Review Hoka Clayton2 Highly Recommended $150 9.1 8.3 12.9 23 28 1 7.5 5
Hoka Clifton 4 Review Hoka Clifton4 Worth considering $130 7.7 9.3 14.5 30 35 10 7.2 3
ON Cloudflash Review On Cloud Cloudflash Worth considering $180 4.4 8.3 14.6 19 26 7 3.7 6
On Cloudracer Review On Cloud Cloudracer Worth considering $130 5.7 8.2 12.8 19 27 5 4.7 7
ON Cloud X Review On Cloud CloudX Not recommended $140 4.5 8.3 16.3 21 27 7 3.8 7
Mizuno Wave Cruise Review Mizuno Cruise Worth considering $120 6.6 5.9 12.5 17 20 7 3.9 6
Newton Distance IV Review Newton Distance Worth considering $155 7.5 9.1 14.2 26 31 3 6.8 5
Asics Gel DS Racer 10 Review Asics DS Racer Worth considering $110 8.2 7.0 10.9 21 26 6 5.8 5
Altra Duo Review Altra Duo Recommended $130 6.0 8.4 13.1 29 29 1 5.0 5
Mizuno Wave Ekiden 8 Review Mizuno Ekiden Worth considering $115 5.7 5.7 14.6 13 18 6 3.2 8
Saucony Endorphin 2 Review Saucony Endorphin 2 Worth considering $115 8.0 5.1 9.6 15 13 -1 4.1 8
Adidas Energy Boost Review Adidas Energy Worth considering $160 7.2 10.0 15.6 20 30 7 7.2 5
Altra Escalante Review Altra Escalante Best of the Best $130 9.1 8.7 13.5 28 25 -1 7.9 6
Altra Escalante 1.5 Review Altra Escalante 1.5 Best of the Best $130 8.2 9.0 14.0 26 27 -1 7.4 7
Saucony Fastwitch Review Saucony Fastwitch Highly Recommended $90 9.5 7.1 11.1 20 22 4 6.8 7
Topo Fli-Lyte 2 Review Topo Fli-Lyte2 Highly Recommended $100 6.7 9.1 14.2 24 26 3 6.1 5
Reebok Floatride Run Review Reebok Floatride Worth considering $150 7.7 9.6 14.9 28 34 10 7.4 5
Saucony Freedom Review Saucony Freedom Recommended $160 5.4 10.7 16.6 25 29 3 5.8 6
Skechers GORun 4 Review Skechers GORun Not recommended $100 6.1 7.5 11.7 15 23 3 4.5 7
Skechers GOrun Ultra 2 Review Skechers GRU Worth considering $90 7.5 10.0 15.6 28 34 8 7.5 4
Asics GT 2000 Review Asics GT 2000 Not recommended $120 4.8 11.2 17.4 28 35 5 5.4 2
New Balance Hanzo S Review New Balance Hanzo Worth considering $110 7.6 6.9 10.7 21 19 2 5.2 5
Hoka Hupana Review Hoka Hupana Recommended $115 6.1 8.9 13.9 31 36 7 5.4 4
Asics Gel Hyper Speed 7 Review Asics Hyper Speed Highly Recommended $75 10.9 6.3 9.8 22 26 5 6.8 6
Altra Instinct 4.0 Review Altra Instinct 4.0 Worth considering $120 6.0 9.8 15.3 29 25 -1 5.9 5
Asics Tarther Kainos 3 Review Asics Kainos Worth considering $130 10.0 6.9 10.7 17 27 9 6.8 6
Altra King MT 1.5 Review Altra King MT Recommended $140 7.5 10.7 16.7 19 21 3 8.0 5
Saucony Kinvara 8 Review Saucony Kinvara 8 Best of the Best $110 9.3 8.6 13.4 26 31 3 8.0 5
Altra Lone Peak 3.5 Review Altra Lone Peak Highly Recommended $120 4.2 11.4 17.7 24 25 4 4.8 5
Nike Zoom Streak LT 3 Review Nike LT3 Best of the Best $80 9.8 5.4 8.4 16 21 5 5.3 7
Nike Zoom Streak LT 4 Review Nike LT4 Recommended $90 8.5 5.5 8.5 15 21 3 4.6 6
Nike LunarSpider R5 Review Nike LunarSpider Recommended $125 6.9 6.7 10.4 17 21 3 4.6 6
Hoka Mafate Speed Review Hoka Mafate Best of the Best $170 7.6 11.9 18.5 39 40 4 9.0 1
Pearl Izumi EM Road N0 v2 Review Pearl N0 Highly Recommended $100 7.9 6.5 10.1 14 20 4 5.2 8
Saucony Nomad Review Saucony Nomad Worth considering $110 4.3 10.5 17.2 25 27 2 4.5 4
Hoka Odyssey Review Hoka Odyssey Highly Recommended $130 8.5 9.4 14.6 37 45 5 8.0 3
Altra Olympus 2.5 Review Altra Olympus Highly Recommended $150 4.6 11.8 18.4 35 34 0 5.4 6
Altra One 3.0 Review Altra One Recommended $100 6.1 8.8 13.7 23 23 0 5.4 6
Altra Paradigm 4.0 Review Altra Paradigm Highly Recommended $150 5.3 11.0 17.1 28 30 5 5.8 8
Asics Piranha SP 5 Review Asics Piranha Recommended $100 10.1 4.2 6.5 11 15 3 4.2 9
Brooks PureFlow 5 Review Brooks PureFlow Worth considering $110 6.0 9.7 15.1 26 29 5 5.8 8
Salming Race Review Salming Race Worth considering $130 6.9 6.5 10.1 16 19 4 4.5 6
Altra Escalante Racer Review Altra Racer Highly Recommended $140 6.6 7.6 11.8 24 26 6 5.0 8
New Balance RC1600 v2 Review New Balance RC1600 Highly Recommended $110 8.8 5.6 8.7 15 21 5 4.9 8
New Balance RC5000v2 Review New Balance RC5000v2 Best of the Best $125 14.2 4.0 6.2 13 21 6 5.7 7
Skechers GoRun Ride 3 Review Skechers Ride Worth considering $85 5.9 8.5 13.2 18 28 6 5.0 8
Nike RN Distance 2 Review Nike RNDist2 Worth considering $120 8.0 9.2 14.3 25 28 4 7.4 7
Inov-8 RoadXTreme 220 Review Inov-8 RXT-220 Worth considering $120 5.2 8.0 18.2 14 17 3 4.2 8
Salomon Sense Ride Review Salomon Sense Worth considering $120 8.5 10.0 15.6 26 29 6 8.5 0
Altra Solstice Review Altra Solstice Highly Recommended $90 7.1 8.1 12.5 23 25 0 5.7 5
Topo ST-2 Review Topo ST-2 Highly Recommended $90 8.2 7.3 11.4 20 18 0 6.0 7
Hoka Stinson Lite Review Hoka Stinson Highly Recommended $160 7.3 11.6 18.1 35 40 6 8.5 0
Altra Superior Altra Superior Highly Recommended $110 5.6 9.9 15.5 21 25 -1 5.5 4
Adidas Takumi Sen 3 Review Adidas Takumi Sen 3 Highly Recommended $160 7.7 6.6 10.2 17 21 4 5.1 5
Topo Terraventure Topo Terraventure Review Pending $110 2.6 10.8 27.5 24 24 0 2.8 10
Altra Timp Review Altra Timp Best of the Best $130 3.7 11.6 18.1 30 31 -1 4.3 6
Altra Torin 2.0 Review Altra Torin Worth considering $125 3.4 9.6 20.7 30 25 1 3.3 9
Altra Torin 3.5 Review Altra Torin 3.5 Worth considering $125 5.8 9.3 14.5 27 28 0 5.4 8
Hoka Tracer Review Hoka Tracer Recommended $130 7.2 7.4 11.5 21 24 2 5.3 5
Merrell Trail Glove 4 Review Merrell Trail Glove 4 Best of the Best $100 3.4 8.4 23.8 13 13 0 2.8 10
Topo Tribute Review Topo Tribute Recommended $100 5.9 7.3 11.4 20 18 -1 4.3 6
Mizuno Wave Universe 5 Review Mizuno Universe Highly Recommended $125 10.7 3.1 10.6 9 12 1 3.3 9
Altra Vanish-R Review Altra Vanish-R Recommended $100 16.1 5.3 8.2 19 21 4 8.5 6
Merrell Vapor Glove 3 Review Merrell Vapor Glove 3 Highly Recommended $85 2.1 6.1 27.6 6 5 0 1.3 10
Nike Vaporfly 4% Review Nike Vaporfly Best of the Best $250 10.4 7.2 11.2 25 37 8 7.5 2
New Balance Vazee Pace Review New Balance Vazee Pace Worth considering $110 6.0 8.6 13.4 18 24 6 5.2 5
Asics TartherZeal 3 Review Asics Zeal Worth considering $140 10.9 6.3 9.8 17 27 9 6.8 6
Saucony Zealot 3 Review Saucony Zealot3 Recommended $130 8.9 9.5 14.8 29 32 4 8.5 6
Nike Zoom Fly Review Nike Zoom Fly Worth considering $150 8.3 8.7 13.5 29 36 8 7.2 3

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