Saucony Kinvara 8 Review

The latest version of the Kinvara is quite different to its predecessor, even though it looks almost identical. The eighth iteration is far more softly cushioned, and I would classify it as a Maximalist shoe. While it's midsole is nowhere near as tall as the Hoka Bondi, which is half as thick again, I found the Kinvara to be more softly cushioned. I've really enjoyed running in the Kinvara 8, far more than any of its predecessors, but I feel for the many fans of the Kinvara line who may be looking for a more direct replacement. If you liked the Saucony Kinvara 7, then you may want to check out the Topo ST-2 for a successor. I've rated the Kinvara 8 as "Highly Recommended", and it's a strong competitor to the outstanding Hoka Clifton and Altra Escalante, which is exalted company. These reviews are not being maintained. If you want trustworthy and detailed reviews, check out Run Repeat Shoe Reviews. If I'd continued doing running shoe reviews, I'd want to produce a site like run repeat. I used The Science of Running Shoes as the basis of how I tested running shoes and what you should look for in a running shoe.

Saucony Kinvara 8 top	Saucony Kinvara 8 outside
Saucony Kinvara 8 bottom	Saucony Kinvara 8 inside

1 Characteristics

• Cushioning . The eighth incarnation of the Kinvara is far more softly cushioned than its predecessors, and I'd say it's more softly cushioned than the Hoka Bondi. In fact, the Kinvara is now nipping at the heels of the awesome Hoka Clifton. The Kinvara 8 offers slightly less cushioning than the Hoka Clifton for slightly less weight, and comes a remarkably close to the cushioning-to-weight ratio of the Clifton. I think that this is the Kinvara is actually a little more springy and responsive than the Clifton something that's a remarkable achievement in a shoe this cushioned. The Kinvara has a thin layer of TPU foam (EVERUN) at the top of the midsole, but I haven't put on enough miles to know if this will help with the shoes of longevity or not.
• Drop. The Kinvara has 4mm of drop, which is slightly more than I think is ideal, but shouldn't cause many people a problem.
• Structure. This shoe uses two types of foam, but these are not intended to control foot motion in the way that a Medial Post would do. Instead there is a layer of Saucony's TPU foam at the top over a thicker layer of standard EVA foam. This is intended to improve comfort, rather than interfere with your biomechanics. The only thing that I found that it might be intrusive is the shape of the heel, which is sloped a little so that it is higher on the inside (medial), which makes it a little bit like running on a camber. I got used to this pretty quickly, but I think it's suboptimal.
• Flexibility. The Kinvara reasonably flexible, and perhaps more flexible than you might expect from its thickness. However, don't go expecting the kind of flexibility you get in a minimalist shoe.
• Outsole. There is hard rubber covering only a few patches of the contact area. You can see these patches as the orange patches on the underside of the shoe in the photographs above. This means that the Kinvara has quite a bit of exposed midsole, but that's quite reasonable given its outstanding cushioning-to-weight ratio.
  
  

  A shot of the Kinvara 8, backlight to show breathability
  
  
  

  Again, a backlit shot of the Kinvara 8, this time from above.
• Shape. The shoe is does not match the shape of the human foot, so it's worth considering cutting open the toe box for comfort. The Kinvara is certainly not as bad as some shoes, but it's nothing like an Altra or a Topo. (I recommend cutting open the toe box of virtually all running shoes, with the exception of a few shoes like some Altra shoes. When you have some worn out shoes, you should try cutting open the toe box. I've found that it's a big improvement, allowing my toes to move naturally and engage for toe off, as well as reducing the possibility of blisters.)
• Upper. The upper is seamless in the forefoot, and consists of a fine mesh inner liner and a much coarser meshed overlay/outer. There is a little bit of padding around the rear of the upper, and the ankle opening is generously padded. Sadly, Saucony have continued to add their "Pro-Lock", which is intended to create a tighter fit around the midfoot. I didn't find this made any difference while running, either positive or negative. However, I did find it made the shoe slightly trickier to put on, and slightly trickier to get the laced tension just right.
• Tongue. The Kinvara has a sock style tongue that is attached to either side of the upper. I found that this worked remarkably well, as it felt like a conventional tongue that stayed in place perfectly. The tongue has thick, soft padding.
• Lacing. The flat laces work well and remained tied. There is some noticeable elasticity in the laces, which I think adds nicely to the comfort of the shoe. This is not the bungee style laces, but a traditional lace with just a tiny bit of stretch, something that I find is a nice addition.
• Heel Counter. The Heel Counter is hard heel counter that remarkably hard edges, but it doesn't come up overly high, and the padding that's between the heel counter and your foot pretty much negates it.

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2 Update After 200 Miles

The Kinvara 8 has proved a great companion over the last 200 miles. It's been a shoe I've instinctively reached for, and its provided a nice combination of soft cushioning without being squishy. While it's not as light as many of the other shoes I run in, it's still remarkably light for the cushioning provides. The Kinvara 8 has worked well at faster paces as well as providing some comfort when my legs are weary. The "pro-lock" as proved to be an annoyance, but only when I'm putting the shoes on, as it makes lacing just a little more tedious than it should be. There is a little more wear on the sole than is perhaps ideal. I've worn down the hard orange outsole pads in the forefoot, and the blue midsole there is starting to abrade slightly. I'm generally pretty easy-going on my shoes, so if your running style is a little more abrasive you may find this Kinvara will wear quicker than you'd like. However, as I usually find, the outsole is not a limiting factor, and the midsole has started to compress quite noticeably under the ball of the foot. This is partly the removable insole, but mostly it's the foam midsole. It's possible that Replacement Insoles might help, but I think about only extend the life fractionally. I was hoping that the Kinvara 8 would last a little longer than it has, especially given how much I've enjoyed running in them. I tend to be rather more conservative in the life of my running shoes, as I found that the compression of the midsole can noticeably change my running form, so I'd rather replace my running shoes sooner rather than risk an injury. Overall, the last 200 miles has confirmed my belief that this is an outstanding running shoe and highly recommended.

Here's an overview of the soul after 200 miles.

This is a close up of the outside hard rubber outsole, showing only the slightest signs of wear.

The rubber outsole under the forefoot has worn rather more, which may not be surprising given how little there is in this area.

The insole is showing significant signs of wear, and the part of the under the ball of my foot is compressed quite a bit.

Here you can see the TPU layer that is just under the removed insole.

3 Update After 300 Miles

I was really intending to retire the Kinvara after 200 miles, but I found it such a great shoe that I discovered I'd covered another hundred miles in them before I realized it. The changes over the last hundred miles have been fairly incremental, rather like "boiling the frog." The wear on the outsole and exposed midsole looks fairly minor at first glance, and it would be easy to think that there's plenty of life left in these shoes. On closer inspection, you can see that the midsole is abraded away under the area that is just behind the middle of the forefoot. The more serious problem is the uneven collapse of the midsole, which is now more than 7 mm lower under the ball of my foot the when the shoe was new. While Replacement Insoles might mitigate the problem a little, it's really too late and this time around I need to retire the Kinvara to avoid serious injury.

Here's an overview of the Kinvara after 300 miles.

This is a close up of the area under the forefoot, highlighting the areas where the midsole has been significantly worn away.

The hard rubber outsole patches on the outside edge of the rear of the sole are only showing minor signs of wear.

There's almost no sign of wear on the midsole that's under the medial edge of the heel of the shoe.

There's some sign of wear under the extreme edge of the heel, from when I occasionally scrape on descents.

4 A Comparison with other Recommended Shoes

If you're looking for "the best of the best" running shoe, here are my top picks. Of course, the answer will depend a little on what you're looking for, so I have recommendations for various categories. Best All Round Shoe. The Altra Escalante is my current all-round favorite. It has plenty of cushioning for its weight, it has a very springy midsole, it lasts well, and it has a shape that's closer to the shape of a human foot than most shoes. It's a great shoe for any runner, including those Starting to run. It's also a fairly easy shoe to find due to its popularity. Best Maximalist Shoe: If you want something massively cushioned, then I'd recommend the Saucony Kinvara 8. It's remarkably light and remarkably cushioned, beating Hoka at their own game. Best Optimal Shoe: For those looking to trade cushioning for speed, the Nike Zoom Streak LT 3 was my top pick, but the latest version (LT 4) falls short of it's predecessor. There are lots of great optimal running shoes, which provide just enough cushioning with light weight and minimal frills, but all have their weak spots. Probably the best option at the moment is the Altra Vanish-R, which offers great cushioning for just over 5oz/150g. Fastest Shoe: If you really want speed, then check out the Nike Vaporfly 4%. It's light, massively cushioned, and has a carbon fiber plate. Nothing comes close, not even the now defunct New Balance RC5000‏‎ or New Balance RC5000v2‏‎. There are a number of caveats; it's really expensive, it's really hard to find, and there's a significant injury risk. Best Minimalist Shoe: Merrell Trail Glove. I recommend the trail glove for road running in spite of the 'trail' moniker. It's not a fast shoe by any means, but it's comfortable and will last well. All Terrain Shoe. For trail running, I've become a fan of Altra, and I think their best shoe is the the Altra Timp, though the Altra Lone Peak is really close. Honorable Mention: It's not really a running shoe, but the Vivobarefoot Ra is comfortable, minimalist and can more or less pass as a dress shoe. I've worn mine to weddings with a suit and they've not looked out of place. You can run in the Ra, but the leather means it doesn't breathe well.

For a more detailed on running shoes see the Recommendations for Best Running Shoes. This table lists the key attributes of What to Look for in Running Shoes. For more detailed information, on the shoes see detailed shoe comparison.

Full Review	Brand	Name	Rating	Recommended price	Benefit	Weight (oz)	Penalty (sec/mile)	Forefoot Thickness	Heel Thickness	Loaded Drop mm	Cushioning	Flexibility
Saucony Type A Review	Saucony	A/A7	Recommended	$100	6.4	6.7	12.1	19	22	1	4.3	7
Saucony Type A6 Review	Saucony	A6	Highly Recommended	$100	8.2	6.1	9.5	17	21	4	5.0	7
Saucony Type A8 Review	Saucony	A8	Highly Recommended	$90	7.5	6.2	9.7	19	20	-1	4.7	7
Adidas Adios Boost 2 Review	Adidas	Adios	Worth considering	$140	4.7	8.6	13.4	17	27	11	4.0	6
Hoka Bondi 5 Review	Hoka	Bondi	Recommended	$150	6.1	11.6	18.1	38	42	5	7.1	2
Hoka Clayton 2 Review	Hoka	Clayton2	Highly Recommended	$150	9.1	8.3	12.9	23	28	1	7.5	5
Hoka Clifton 4 Review	Hoka	Clifton4	Worth considering	$130	7.7	9.3	14.5	30	35	10	7.2	3
ON Cloudflash Review	On Cloud	Cloudflash	Worth considering	$180	4.4	8.3	14.6	19	26	7	3.7	6
On Cloudracer Review	On Cloud	Cloudracer	Worth considering	$130	5.7	8.2	12.8	19	27	5	4.7	7
ON Cloud X Review	On Cloud	CloudX	Not recommended	$140	4.5	8.3	16.3	21	27	7	3.8	7
Mizuno Wave Cruise Review	Mizuno	Cruise	Worth considering	$120	6.6	5.9	12.5	17	20	7	3.9	6
Newton Distance IV Review	Newton	Distance	Worth considering	$155	7.5	9.1	14.2	26	31	3	6.8	5
Asics Gel DS Racer 10 Review	Asics	DS Racer	Worth considering	$110	8.2	7.0	10.9	21	26	6	5.8	5
Altra Duo Review	Altra	Duo	Recommended	$130	6.0	8.4	13.1	29	29	1	5.0	5
Mizuno Wave Ekiden 8 Review	Mizuno	Ekiden	Worth considering	$115	5.7	5.7	14.6	13	18	6	3.2	8
Saucony Endorphin 2 Review	Saucony	Endorphin 2	Worth considering	$115	8.0	5.1	9.6	15	13	-1	4.1	8
Adidas Energy Boost Review	Adidas	Energy	Worth considering	$160	7.2	10.0	15.6	20	30	7	7.2	5
Altra Escalante Review	Altra	Escalante	Best of the Best	$130	9.1	8.7	13.5	28	25	-1	7.9	6
Altra Escalante 1.5 Review	Altra	Escalante 1.5	Best of the Best	$130	8.2	9.0	14.0	26	27	-1	7.4	7
Saucony Fastwitch Review	Saucony	Fastwitch	Highly Recommended	$90	9.5	7.1	11.1	20	22	4	6.8	7
Topo Fli-Lyte 2 Review	Topo	Fli-Lyte2	Highly Recommended	$100	6.7	9.1	14.2	24	26	3	6.1	5
Reebok Floatride Run Review	Reebok	Floatride	Worth considering	$150	7.7	9.6	14.9	28	34	10	7.4	5
Saucony Freedom Review	Saucony	Freedom	Recommended	$160	5.4	10.7	16.6	25	29	3	5.8	6
Skechers GORun 4 Review	Skechers	GORun	Not recommended	$100	6.1	7.5	11.7	15	23	3	4.5	7
Skechers GOrun Ultra 2 Review	Skechers	GRU	Worth considering	$90	7.5	10.0	15.6	28	34	8	7.5	4
Asics GT 2000 Review	Asics	GT 2000	Not recommended	$120	4.8	11.2	17.4	28	35	5	5.4	2
New Balance Hanzo S Review	New Balance	Hanzo	Worth considering	$110	7.6	6.9	10.7	21	19	2	5.2	5
Hoka Hupana Review	Hoka	Hupana	Recommended	$115	6.1	8.9	13.9	31	36	7	5.4	4
Asics Gel Hyper Speed 7 Review	Asics	Hyper Speed	Highly Recommended	$75	10.9	6.3	9.8	22	26	5	6.8	6
Altra Instinct 4.0 Review	Altra	Instinct 4.0	Worth considering	$120	6.0	9.8	15.3	29	25	-1	5.9	5
Asics Tarther Kainos 3 Review	Asics	Kainos	Worth considering	$130	10.0	6.9	10.7	17	27	9	6.8	6
Altra King MT 1.5 Review	Altra	King MT	Recommended	$140	7.5	10.7	16.7	19	21	3	8.0	5
Saucony Kinvara 8 Review	Saucony	Kinvara 8	Best of the Best	$110	9.3	8.6	13.4	26	31	3	8.0	5
Altra Lone Peak 3.5 Review	Altra	Lone Peak	Highly Recommended	$120	4.2	11.4	17.7	24	25	4	4.8	5
Nike Zoom Streak LT 3 Review	Nike	LT3	Best of the Best	$80	9.8	5.4	8.4	16	21	5	5.3	7
Nike Zoom Streak LT 4 Review	Nike	LT4	Recommended	$90	8.5	5.5	8.5	15	21	3	4.6	6
Nike LunarSpider R5 Review	Nike	LunarSpider	Recommended	$125	6.9	6.7	10.4	17	21	3	4.6	6
Hoka Mafate Speed Review	Hoka	Mafate	Best of the Best	$170	7.6	11.9	18.5	39	40	4	9.0	1
Pearl Izumi EM Road N0 v2 Review	Pearl	N0	Highly Recommended	$100	7.9	6.5	10.1	14	20	4	5.2	8
Saucony Nomad Review	Saucony	Nomad	Worth considering	$110	4.3	10.5	17.2	25	27	2	4.5	4
Hoka Odyssey Review	Hoka	Odyssey	Highly Recommended	$130	8.5	9.4	14.6	37	45	5	8.0	3
Altra Olympus 2.5 Review	Altra	Olympus	Highly Recommended	$150	4.6	11.8	18.4	35	34	0	5.4	6
Altra One 3.0 Review	Altra	One	Recommended	$100	6.1	8.8	13.7	23	23	0	5.4	6
Altra Paradigm 4.0 Review	Altra	Paradigm	Highly Recommended	$150	5.3	11.0	17.1	28	30	5	5.8	8
Asics Piranha SP 5 Review	Asics	Piranha	Recommended	$100	10.1	4.2	6.5	11	15	3	4.2	9
Brooks PureFlow 5 Review	Brooks	PureFlow	Worth considering	$110	6.0	9.7	15.1	26	29	5	5.8	8
Salming Race Review	Salming	Race	Worth considering	$130	6.9	6.5	10.1	16	19	4	4.5	6
Altra Escalante Racer Review	Altra	Racer	Highly Recommended	$140	6.6	7.6	11.8	24	26	6	5.0	8
New Balance RC1600 v2 Review	New Balance	RC1600	Highly Recommended	$110	8.8	5.6	8.7	15	21	5	4.9	8
New Balance RC5000v2 Review	New Balance	RC5000v2	Best of the Best	$125	14.2	4.0	6.2	13	21	6	5.7	7
Skechers GoRun Ride 3 Review	Skechers	Ride	Worth considering	$85	5.9	8.5	13.2	18	28	6	5.0	8
Nike RN Distance 2 Review	Nike	RNDist2	Worth considering	$120	8.0	9.2	14.3	25	28	4	7.4	7
Inov-8 RoadXTreme 220 Review	Inov-8	RXT-220	Worth considering	$120	5.2	8.0	18.2	14	17	3	4.2	8
Salomon Sense Ride Review	Salomon	Sense	Worth considering	$120	8.5	10.0	15.6	26	29	6	8.5	0
Altra Solstice Review	Altra	Solstice	Highly Recommended	$90	7.1	8.1	12.5	23	25	0	5.7	5
Topo ST-2 Review	Topo	ST-2	Highly Recommended	$90	8.2	7.3	11.4	20	18	0	6.0	7
Hoka Stinson Lite Review	Hoka	Stinson	Highly Recommended	$160	7.3	11.6	18.1	35	40	6	8.5	0
Altra Superior	Altra	Superior	Highly Recommended	$110	5.6	9.9	15.5	21	25	-1	5.5	4
Adidas Takumi Sen 3 Review	Adidas	Takumi Sen 3	Highly Recommended	$160	7.7	6.6	10.2	17	21	4	5.1	5
Topo Terraventure	Topo	Terraventure	Review Pending	$110	2.6	10.8	27.5	24	24	0	2.8	10
Altra Timp Review	Altra	Timp	Best of the Best	$130	3.7	11.6	18.1	30	31	-1	4.3	6
Altra Torin 2.0 Review	Altra	Torin	Worth considering	$125	3.4	9.6	20.7	30	25	1	3.3	9
Altra Torin 3.5 Review	Altra	Torin 3.5	Worth considering	$125	5.8	9.3	14.5	27	28	0	5.4	8
Hoka Tracer Review	Hoka	Tracer	Recommended	$130	7.2	7.4	11.5	21	24	2	5.3	5
Merrell Trail Glove 4 Review	Merrell	Trail Glove 4	Best of the Best	$100	3.4	8.4	23.8	13	13	0	2.8	10
Topo Tribute Review	Topo	Tribute	Recommended	$100	5.9	7.3	11.4	20	18	-1	4.3	6
Mizuno Wave Universe 5 Review	Mizuno	Universe	Highly Recommended	$125	10.7	3.1	10.6	9	12	1	3.3	9
Altra Vanish-R Review	Altra	Vanish-R	Recommended	$100	16.1	5.3	8.2	19	21	4	8.5	6
Merrell Vapor Glove 3 Review	Merrell	Vapor Glove 3	Highly Recommended	$85	2.1	6.1	27.6	6	5	0	1.3	10
Nike Vaporfly 4% Review	Nike	Vaporfly	Best of the Best	$250	10.4	7.2	11.2	25	37	8	7.5	2
New Balance Vazee Pace Review	New Balance	Vazee Pace	Worth considering	$110	6.0	8.6	13.4	18	24	6	5.2	5
Asics TartherZeal 3 Review	Asics	Zeal	Worth considering	$140	10.9	6.3	9.8	17	27	9	6.8	6
Saucony Zealot 3 Review	Saucony	Zealot3	Recommended	$130	8.9	9.5	14.8	29	32	4	8.5	6
Nike Zoom Fly Review	Nike	Zoom Fly	Worth considering	$150	8.3	8.7	13.5	29	36	8	7.2	3

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