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− | [[File: | + | There's a lot to like with the Torin 2.0, but there are some important caveats as well. |
− | + | * Like all Altra shoes, the basic shape matches the human foot, which is a huge improvement over virtually every other shoe on the market. Unfortunately, the toe box is really low volume, so I had to expand the toe box to make more room. | |
+ | * The Torin is zero drop and runs remarkably neutrally, never trying to screw around with your natural biomechanics. | ||
+ | * My biggest complaint is the weight. While the Torin is less than 10 ounces, you can get a similar level of cushioning from shoes weighing vastly less. | ||
+ | * The midsole foam is quite rigid, so the Torin is less flexible than it should be. This rigidity does not appear to result in longevity, and I have concerns with how long the exposed midsole patches will last. | ||
+ | I've rated the Torin as "worth considering", but you'll have to decide for yourself if the pros outweigh the cons. {{H:WhatToLookForInShoes}} | ||
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+ | |[[File:Altra Torin-top.JPG|none|thumb|250px|Altra Torin top]] | ||
+ | |[[File:Altra Torin-bottom.JPG|none|thumb|250px|Altra Torin bottom]] | ||
+ | |- valign="top" | ||
+ | |[[File:Altra Torin-inside.JPG|none|thumb|250px|Altra Torin inside]] | ||
+ | |[[File:Altra Torin-outside.JPG|none|thumb|250px|Altra Torin outside]] | ||
+ | |} | ||
+ | =Characteristics= | ||
+ | * {{H:cushioning}}. The Torin is too firmly cushioned for its weight, giving less cushioning than the [[Asics Gel Hyper Speed]] while weighing 50% more. Surprisingly it only provides the same cushioning as the [[New Balance RC5000v2]] but is 2.4x as heavy! Like most shoes, the Torin does soften up quite a bit as it gets warmed up, so you may notice quite a difference over the first couple of miles of a run. If you're after a massively cushioned shoe, then the [[Hoka Clifton]] offers a far softer ride while weighing slightly less. | ||
+ | * {{H:drop}}. Altra shoes are marketed as zero drop, and I actually measured the Torin as slightly negative drop (forefoot thicker than heel), though loaded this was only 1mm. | ||
+ | * {{H:structure}}. The Torin uses just one density of foam, and doesn't attempt to manipulate or interfere with your natural biomechanics. This neutrality and unobtrusiveness is one of the things I like about the Torin. There is a slight rise under the arch, but I don't think this is enough to irritate your foot and trigger plantar fasciitis. | ||
+ | * {{H:flexibility}}. The Torin has moderate flexibility, which is about what you'd expect from a shoe this thick. It's similar to a Hoka, and more flexible than many traditional shoes like the [[Asics GT 2000]]. There are some groups in the midsole that help with flexibility, but the midsole foam seems surprisingly rigid. I suspect that without the grooves the Torin would be like a plank of wood. | ||
+ | * {{H:outsole}}. There's a good layer of harder rubber outsole over nearly the entire sole of the shoe. There's a gap in the outsole near the smaller toes, which is an odd choice, and I found some initial signs of abrasion after only 50 miles. | ||
+ | * {{H:shape}}. The Altra Torin is one of the few shoes truly designed to fit the human foot, but like many Altra shoes the toe box is way too low. I found the Torin made my little toes hurt until I expanded the toe box. I stuffed a small towel into the toe box, and then used a hairdryer to heat the area up, which expanded the toe box nicely and dramatically improved comfort. One of the toe box overlays, seen in my pictures as a green line and a red blob, does it restrict the expansion a little. This overlay seems particularly pointless and irritating, but the result is still a vast improvement .<br/>[[File:Torin Hairdryer (Medium).jpg|none|thumb|200px|Using a hairdryer to expand the toebox.]] | ||
+ | * {{H:upper}}. The forefoot is quite soft even though it's unpadded. There is a tiny bit of stretch in the upper and it's moderately breathable. The rear half of the upper has a tiny bit of padding which leads into the board, soft padding around the ankle opening. I found this makes the shoe quite comfortable and I did not notice the seam. | ||
+ | * {{H:tongue}}. The Torin has a traditional style of tongue, but it's so to the upper on the inside edge. I find this is the ideal approach to a tongue, as it stays nicely in place, without the fit issues you so often get with a tongueless upper. The tongue is nicely padded and protects the top of your foot from any lace pressure quite effectively. | ||
+ | * {{H:lacing}}. The traditional flat laces stayed tied. | ||
+ | * {{H:heelcounter}}. The Torin has a fairly rigid heel counter, but the thick padding protects your foot. | ||
+ | {{FastBlr|altra/Torin-3-1321|1321|Altra Torin}} | ||
+ | {{ShoeGraphs}} | ||
=A Comparison with other Recommended Shoes= | =A Comparison with other Recommended Shoes= | ||
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Revision as of 10:32, 19 July 2016
There's a lot to like with the Torin 2.0, but there are some important caveats as well.
- Like all Altra shoes, the basic shape matches the human foot, which is a huge improvement over virtually every other shoe on the market. Unfortunately, the toe box is really low volume, so I had to expand the toe box to make more room.
- The Torin is zero drop and runs remarkably neutrally, never trying to screw around with your natural biomechanics.
- My biggest complaint is the weight. While the Torin is less than 10 ounces, you can get a similar level of cushioning from shoes weighing vastly less.
- The midsole foam is quite rigid, so the Torin is less flexible than it should be. This rigidity does not appear to result in longevity, and I have concerns with how long the exposed midsole patches will last.
I've rated the Torin as "worth considering", but you'll have to decide for yourself if the pros outweigh the cons. (I use The Science of Running Shoes as the basis of how I test running shoes and what you should look for in a running shoe.)
Contents
1 Characteristics
- Cushioning . The Torin is too firmly cushioned for its weight, giving less cushioning than the Asics Gel Hyper Speed while weighing 50% more. Surprisingly it only provides the same cushioning as the New Balance RC5000v2 but is 2.4x as heavy! Like most shoes, the Torin does soften up quite a bit as it gets warmed up, so you may notice quite a difference over the first couple of miles of a run. If you're after a massively cushioned shoe, then the Hoka Clifton offers a far softer ride while weighing slightly less.
- Drop. Altra shoes are marketed as zero drop, and I actually measured the Torin as slightly negative drop (forefoot thicker than heel), though loaded this was only 1mm.
- Structure. The Torin uses just one density of foam, and doesn't attempt to manipulate or interfere with your natural biomechanics. This neutrality and unobtrusiveness is one of the things I like about the Torin. There is a slight rise under the arch, but I don't think this is enough to irritate your foot and trigger plantar fasciitis.
- Flexibility. The Torin has moderate flexibility, which is about what you'd expect from a shoe this thick. It's similar to a Hoka, and more flexible than many traditional shoes like the Asics GT 2000. There are some groups in the midsole that help with flexibility, but the midsole foam seems surprisingly rigid. I suspect that without the grooves the Torin would be like a plank of wood.
- Outsole. There's a good layer of harder rubber outsole over nearly the entire sole of the shoe. There's a gap in the outsole near the smaller toes, which is an odd choice, and I found some initial signs of abrasion after only 50 miles.
- Shape. The Altra Torin is one of the few shoes truly designed to fit the human foot, but like many Altra shoes the toe box is way too low. I found the Torin made my little toes hurt until I expanded the toe box. I stuffed a small towel into the toe box, and then used a hairdryer to heat the area up, which expanded the toe box nicely and dramatically improved comfort. One of the toe box overlays, seen in my pictures as a green line and a red blob, does it restrict the expansion a little. This overlay seems particularly pointless and irritating, but the result is still a vast improvement .
- Upper. The forefoot is quite soft even though it's unpadded. There is a tiny bit of stretch in the upper and it's moderately breathable. The rear half of the upper has a tiny bit of padding which leads into the board, soft padding around the ankle opening. I found this makes the shoe quite comfortable and I did not notice the seam.
- Tongue. The Torin has a traditional style of tongue, but it's so to the upper on the inside edge. I find this is the ideal approach to a tongue, as it stays nicely in place, without the fit issues you so often get with a tongueless upper. The tongue is nicely padded and protects the top of your foot from any lace pressure quite effectively.
- Lacing. The traditional flat laces stayed tied.
- Heel Counter. The Torin has a fairly rigid heel counter, but the thick padding protects your foot.
This review was made possible by readers like you buying products via my links. I buy all the products I review through normal retail channels, which allows me to create unbiased reviews free from the influence of reciprocity, or the need to keep vendors happy. It also ensures I don't get "reviewer specials" that are better than the retail versions.
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2 Cushioning and Shoes
It's intuitively obvious that the cushioning in a shoe will reduce the impact on your body when running. However, The Science of Running Shoes indicates that the reality is rather more complex. While slight cushioning may reduce the effort needed to run by improving your Running Economy, most scientific research indicates that more cushioning does further improve Running Economy. In addition, cushioning does not generally reduce impact and may actually increase it. This is counterintuitive, but is likely to be due to the way a runners mind and body adapts to softer cushioning. Unfortunately, the scientific evidence is far from complete and it's hard to give clear recommendations. I believe that some runners will prefer more cushioning, while others prefer less, and typically those running further have a fondness for greater cushioning. I also believe that a shoe should be as light as possible, and a shoe should justify its weight with the cushioning it provides. My advice is to decide what level of cushioning you're looking for, and then find the lightest shoes that also fit well and are comfortable.
3 Visualizing the Attributes of the Altra Torin
4 A Comparison with other Recommended Shoes
If you're looking for "the best of the best" running shoe, here are my top picks. Of course, the answer will depend a little on what you're looking for, so I have recommendations for various categories.
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For a more detailed on running shoes see the Recommendations for Best Running Shoes. This table lists the key attributes of What to Look for in Running Shoes. For more detailed information, on the shoes see detailed shoe comparison.
Full Review |
Brand | Name | Rating | Recommended price |
Benefit | Weight (oz) |
Penalty (sec/mile) |
Forefoot Thickness |
Heel Thickness |
Loaded Drop mm |
Cushioning | Flexibility |
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Saucony Type A Review | Saucony | A/A7 | Recommended | $100 | 6.4 | 6.7 | 12.1 | 19 | 22 | 1 | 4.3 | 7 |
Saucony Type A6 Review | Saucony | A6 | Highly Recommended | $100 | 8.2 | 6.1 | 9.5 | 17 | 21 | 4 | 5.0 | 7 |
Saucony Type A8 Review | Saucony | A8 | Highly Recommended | $90 | 7.5 | 6.2 | 9.7 | 19 | 20 | -1 | 4.7 | 7 |
Adidas Adios Boost 2 Review | Adidas | Adios | Worth considering | $140 | 4.7 | 8.6 | 13.4 | 17 | 27 | 11 | 4.0 | 6 |
Hoka Bondi 5 Review | Hoka | Bondi | Recommended | $150 | 6.1 | 11.6 | 18.1 | 38 | 42 | 5 | 7.1 | 2 |
Hoka Clayton 2 Review | Hoka | Clayton2 | Highly Recommended | $150 | 9.1 | 8.3 | 12.9 | 23 | 28 | 1 | 7.5 | 5 |
Hoka Clifton 4 Review | Hoka | Clifton4 | Worth considering | $130 | 7.7 | 9.3 | 14.5 | 30 | 35 | 10 | 7.2 | 3 |
ON Cloudflash Review | On Cloud | Cloudflash | Worth considering | $180 | 4.4 | 8.3 | 14.6 | 19 | 26 | 7 | 3.7 | 6 |
On Cloudracer Review | On Cloud | Cloudracer | Worth considering | $130 | 5.7 | 8.2 | 12.8 | 19 | 27 | 5 | 4.7 | 7 |
ON Cloud X Review | On Cloud | CloudX | Not recommended | $140 | 4.5 | 8.3 | 16.3 | 21 | 27 | 7 | 3.8 | 7 |
Mizuno Wave Cruise Review | Mizuno | Cruise | Worth considering | $120 | 6.6 | 5.9 | 12.5 | 17 | 20 | 7 | 3.9 | 6 |
Newton Distance IV Review | Newton | Distance | Worth considering | $155 | 7.5 | 9.1 | 14.2 | 26 | 31 | 3 | 6.8 | 5 |
Asics Gel DS Racer 10 Review | Asics | DS Racer | Worth considering | $110 | 8.2 | 7.0 | 10.9 | 21 | 26 | 6 | 5.8 | 5 |
Altra Duo Review | Altra | Duo | Recommended | $130 | 6.0 | 8.4 | 13.1 | 29 | 29 | 1 | 5.0 | 5 |
Mizuno Wave Ekiden 8 Review | Mizuno | Ekiden | Worth considering | $115 | 5.7 | 5.7 | 14.6 | 13 | 18 | 6 | 3.2 | 8 |
Saucony Endorphin 2 Review | Saucony | Endorphin 2 | Worth considering | $115 | 8.0 | 5.1 | 9.6 | 15 | 13 | -1 | 4.1 | 8 |
Adidas Energy Boost Review | Adidas | Energy | Worth considering | $160 | 7.2 | 10.0 | 15.6 | 20 | 30 | 7 | 7.2 | 5 |
Altra Escalante Review | Altra | Escalante | Best of the Best | $130 | 9.1 | 8.7 | 13.5 | 28 | 25 | -1 | 7.9 | 6 |
Altra Escalante 1.5 Review | Altra | Escalante 1.5 | Best of the Best | $130 | 8.2 | 9.0 | 14.0 | 26 | 27 | -1 | 7.4 | 7 |
Saucony Fastwitch Review | Saucony | Fastwitch | Highly Recommended | $90 | 9.5 | 7.1 | 11.1 | 20 | 22 | 4 | 6.8 | 7 |
Topo Fli-Lyte 2 Review | Topo | Fli-Lyte2 | Highly Recommended | $100 | 6.7 | 9.1 | 14.2 | 24 | 26 | 3 | 6.1 | 5 |
Reebok Floatride Run Review | Reebok | Floatride | Worth considering | $150 | 7.7 | 9.6 | 14.9 | 28 | 34 | 10 | 7.4 | 5 |
Saucony Freedom Review | Saucony | Freedom | Recommended | $160 | 5.4 | 10.7 | 16.6 | 25 | 29 | 3 | 5.8 | 6 |
Skechers GORun 4 Review | Skechers | GORun | Not recommended | $100 | 6.1 | 7.5 | 11.7 | 15 | 23 | 3 | 4.5 | 7 |
Skechers GOrun Ultra 2 Review | Skechers | GRU | Worth considering | $90 | 7.5 | 10.0 | 15.6 | 28 | 34 | 8 | 7.5 | 4 |
Asics GT 2000 Review | Asics | GT 2000 | Not recommended | $120 | 4.8 | 11.2 | 17.4 | 28 | 35 | 5 | 5.4 | 2 |
New Balance Hanzo S Review | New Balance | Hanzo | Worth considering | $110 | 7.6 | 6.9 | 10.7 | 21 | 19 | 2 | 5.2 | 5 |
Hoka Hupana Review | Hoka | Hupana | Recommended | $115 | 6.1 | 8.9 | 13.9 | 31 | 36 | 7 | 5.4 | 4 |
Asics Gel Hyper Speed 7 Review | Asics | Hyper Speed | Highly Recommended | $75 | 10.9 | 6.3 | 9.8 | 22 | 26 | 5 | 6.8 | 6 |
Altra Instinct 4.0 Review | Altra | Instinct 4.0 | Worth considering | $120 | 6.0 | 9.8 | 15.3 | 29 | 25 | -1 | 5.9 | 5 |
Asics Tarther Kainos 3 Review | Asics | Kainos | Worth considering | $130 | 10.0 | 6.9 | 10.7 | 17 | 27 | 9 | 6.8 | 6 |
Altra King MT 1.5 Review | Altra | King MT | Recommended | $140 | 7.5 | 10.7 | 16.7 | 19 | 21 | 3 | 8.0 | 5 |
Saucony Kinvara 8 Review | Saucony | Kinvara 8 | Best of the Best | $110 | 9.3 | 8.6 | 13.4 | 26 | 31 | 3 | 8.0 | 5 |
Altra Lone Peak 3.5 Review | Altra | Lone Peak | Highly Recommended | $120 | 4.2 | 11.4 | 17.7 | 24 | 25 | 4 | 4.8 | 5 |
Nike Zoom Streak LT 3 Review | Nike | LT3 | Best of the Best | $80 | 9.8 | 5.4 | 8.4 | 16 | 21 | 5 | 5.3 | 7 |
Nike Zoom Streak LT 4 Review | Nike | LT4 | Recommended | $90 | 8.5 | 5.5 | 8.5 | 15 | 21 | 3 | 4.6 | 6 |
Nike LunarSpider R5 Review | Nike | LunarSpider | Recommended | $125 | 6.9 | 6.7 | 10.4 | 17 | 21 | 3 | 4.6 | 6 |
Hoka Mafate Speed Review | Hoka | Mafate | Best of the Best | $170 | 7.6 | 11.9 | 18.5 | 39 | 40 | 4 | 9.0 | 1 |
Pearl Izumi EM Road N0 v2 Review | Pearl | N0 | Highly Recommended | $100 | 7.9 | 6.5 | 10.1 | 14 | 20 | 4 | 5.2 | 8 |
Saucony Nomad Review | Saucony | Nomad | Worth considering | $110 | 4.3 | 10.5 | 17.2 | 25 | 27 | 2 | 4.5 | 4 |
Hoka Odyssey Review | Hoka | Odyssey | Highly Recommended | $130 | 8.5 | 9.4 | 14.6 | 37 | 45 | 5 | 8.0 | 3 |
Altra Olympus 2.5 Review | Altra | Olympus | Highly Recommended | $150 | 4.6 | 11.8 | 18.4 | 35 | 34 | 0 | 5.4 | 6 |
Altra One 3.0 Review | Altra | One | Recommended | $100 | 6.1 | 8.8 | 13.7 | 23 | 23 | 0 | 5.4 | 6 |
Altra Paradigm 4.0 Review | Altra | Paradigm | Highly Recommended | $150 | 5.3 | 11.0 | 17.1 | 28 | 30 | 5 | 5.8 | 8 |
Asics Piranha SP 5 Review | Asics | Piranha | Recommended | $100 | 10.1 | 4.2 | 6.5 | 11 | 15 | 3 | 4.2 | 9 |
Brooks PureFlow 5 Review | Brooks | PureFlow | Worth considering | $110 | 6.0 | 9.7 | 15.1 | 26 | 29 | 5 | 5.8 | 8 |
Salming Race Review | Salming | Race | Worth considering | $130 | 6.9 | 6.5 | 10.1 | 16 | 19 | 4 | 4.5 | 6 |
Altra Escalante Racer Review | Altra | Racer | Highly Recommended | $140 | 6.6 | 7.6 | 11.8 | 24 | 26 | 6 | 5.0 | 8 |
New Balance RC1600 v2 Review | New Balance | RC1600 | Highly Recommended | $110 | 8.8 | 5.6 | 8.7 | 15 | 21 | 5 | 4.9 | 8 |
New Balance RC5000v2 Review | New Balance | RC5000v2 | Best of the Best | $125 | 14.2 | 4.0 | 6.2 | 13 | 21 | 6 | 5.7 | 7 |
Skechers GoRun Ride 3 Review | Skechers | Ride | Worth considering | $85 | 5.9 | 8.5 | 13.2 | 18 | 28 | 6 | 5.0 | 8 |
Nike RN Distance 2 Review | Nike | RNDist2 | Worth considering | $120 | 8.0 | 9.2 | 14.3 | 25 | 28 | 4 | 7.4 | 7 |
Inov-8 RoadXTreme 220 Review | Inov-8 | RXT-220 | Worth considering | $120 | 5.2 | 8.0 | 18.2 | 14 | 17 | 3 | 4.2 | 8 |
Salomon Sense Ride Review | Salomon | Sense | Worth considering | $120 | 8.5 | 10.0 | 15.6 | 26 | 29 | 6 | 8.5 | 0 |
Altra Solstice Review | Altra | Solstice | Highly Recommended | $90 | 7.1 | 8.1 | 12.5 | 23 | 25 | 0 | 5.7 | 5 |
Topo ST-2 Review | Topo | ST-2 | Highly Recommended | $90 | 8.2 | 7.3 | 11.4 | 20 | 18 | 0 | 6.0 | 7 |
Hoka Stinson Lite Review | Hoka | Stinson | Highly Recommended | $160 | 7.3 | 11.6 | 18.1 | 35 | 40 | 6 | 8.5 | 0 |
Altra Superior | Altra | Superior | Highly Recommended | $110 | 5.6 | 9.9 | 15.5 | 21 | 25 | -1 | 5.5 | 4 |
Adidas Takumi Sen 3 Review | Adidas | Takumi Sen 3 | Highly Recommended | $160 | 7.7 | 6.6 | 10.2 | 17 | 21 | 4 | 5.1 | 5 |
Topo Terraventure | Topo | Terraventure | Review Pending | $110 | 2.6 | 10.8 | 27.5 | 24 | 24 | 0 | 2.8 | 10 |
Altra Timp Review | Altra | Timp | Best of the Best | $130 | 3.7 | 11.6 | 18.1 | 30 | 31 | -1 | 4.3 | 6 |
Altra Torin 2.0 Review | Altra | Torin | Worth considering | $125 | 3.4 | 9.6 | 20.7 | 30 | 25 | 1 | 3.3 | 9 |
Altra Torin 3.5 Review | Altra | Torin 3.5 | Worth considering | $125 | 5.8 | 9.3 | 14.5 | 27 | 28 | 0 | 5.4 | 8 |
Hoka Tracer Review | Hoka | Tracer | Recommended | $130 | 7.2 | 7.4 | 11.5 | 21 | 24 | 2 | 5.3 | 5 |
Merrell Trail Glove 4 Review | Merrell | Trail Glove 4 | Best of the Best | $100 | 3.4 | 8.4 | 23.8 | 13 | 13 | 0 | 2.8 | 10 |
Topo Tribute Review | Topo | Tribute | Recommended | $100 | 5.9 | 7.3 | 11.4 | 20 | 18 | -1 | 4.3 | 6 |
Mizuno Wave Universe 5 Review | Mizuno | Universe | Highly Recommended | $125 | 10.7 | 3.1 | 10.6 | 9 | 12 | 1 | 3.3 | 9 |
Altra Vanish-R Review | Altra | Vanish-R | Recommended | $100 | 16.1 | 5.3 | 8.2 | 19 | 21 | 4 | 8.5 | 6 |
Merrell Vapor Glove 3 Review | Merrell | Vapor Glove 3 | Highly Recommended | $85 | 2.1 | 6.1 | 27.6 | 6 | 5 | 0 | 1.3 | 10 |
Nike Vaporfly 4% Review | Nike | Vaporfly | Best of the Best | $250 | 10.4 | 7.2 | 11.2 | 25 | 37 | 8 | 7.5 | 2 |
New Balance Vazee Pace Review | New Balance | Vazee Pace | Worth considering | $110 | 6.0 | 8.6 | 13.4 | 18 | 24 | 6 | 5.2 | 5 |
Asics TartherZeal 3 Review | Asics | Zeal | Worth considering | $140 | 10.9 | 6.3 | 9.8 | 17 | 27 | 9 | 6.8 | 6 |
Saucony Zealot 3 Review | Saucony | Zealot3 | Recommended | $130 | 8.9 | 9.5 | 14.8 | 29 | 32 | 4 | 8.5 | 6 |
Nike Zoom Fly Review | Nike | Zoom Fly | Worth considering | $150 | 8.3 | 8.7 | 13.5 | 29 | 36 | 8 | 7.2 | 3 |
It's not a running shoe, but I love the Hoka Tor Ultra hiking boot and I've tested the Altra Lone Peak Boot, the Hoka Tor Speed 2, and the Inov-8 Roclite 325 hiking boots
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